Go expansion edicts first, Start claiming planets left and right. Integrating a vassal would be changing it into a tributary, then into a sector. All the Special Vassals are fundamentally reducing their ability to produce science, either directly (the Scholarium science tribute) or in their basic resource economy. Other Features: - All of the subject interaction features of the mod are handled through a new edict: Manage Subject States. Honestly, for AI ones under you, it's hard to beat Tributary or normal vassal for any of the bonus lol. The extra credits really make that much of a difference. As a megacorp, you are mostly making tributary vassal requests, so you get a basic resources boost, utilizing 30% of the vassals economy, only furthering your economy to easily vassalize more and more. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos Workshop News Guides Reviews. ago. I believe you have to vassalize them before the integration. The main contexts where you’d prefer a tributary to a vassal are when gestalt pops are involved: normal empires can’t keep/use gestalt pops outside of specific cases, and gestalts can only use normal pops as energy/food slaves outside of specific circumstances. But i only have 1 option. Lets find out. Stellaris Dev Diary #281 - A Message from Minamar Specialized Industries. they're very flexible, but require some time to set up. So basically anything but a plain vassal. bordering other tributaries does count for tributary demands. Tributaries pay another nation for their autonomy. Presets have a list of default terms, and can have. 1. Conquering directly just gives you the planets and populations directly, and will generally be strongest. They are probably more useful in one of the next patches due to tributary states and maybe some other changes (which is currently missing compared to EU4). If you vassalize them you can turn them into a boost for your science or navy? Depends what you need more of I guess. 2. FogeltheVogel • Hive Mind • 8 mo. 2. Vassal state. The whole vassal/tributary system seems to be built for a player overlord in mind, and nothing else. So Materialist feudal playthroughs can be crazy good. The enemies you fight at that point where you would actually think of using AI help would obliterate AI ships so it's best to have them fund you. This pairs quite. Suzerainty (/ ˈ s uː z ər ə n t i,-r ɛ n t i /) includes the rights and obligations of a person, state or other polity which controls the foreign policy and relations of a tributary state, but allows the tributary state internal autonomy. Click that, send, wait till they deny your offer and then you get the belli. Caveat If you're struggling with ethics divergence sometimes it's helpful to. My vassal Megacorp wasn't even opening branch offices. Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming. The option is there to turn the tributary into a vassal, but I have a negative score (-41) to actually do this. You can't force vassalise your own tributary (since you can't declare war on them), but you can ask them to become your vassal diplomatically. A weak tributary with 3-4 planets can usually give you a resource output of about one of your planets with no upkeep or tech penalties, being purely positive income. . These are the basic subjugation types that you know from before, plus a few new ones, such as Vassal, Subsidiary, Tributary, Protectorate, Bulwark, and so on. Vassal is a fancy word for subject; if an empire is your vassal, you are their boss for intents and purposes. Select a planet within a Sector you control and navigate to the “Governor” screen. A protectorate will follow you into war. Build them up and let them get a fleet in proportion to yours. Base: -50 Empire Population: -23 Relative Power: +22 Loyal Attitude: +10 Is there anything I can do to change these? My Tributary has 5 worlds to my 10, I completely trashed his fleet so he has much more fleet to build than I do. Yea. XBOX • 3 yr. Vassals with claims on a Fallen Empire. Gives +10 Stability and immunity to most crime-related events. Get a couple of special ones for the unique bonuses but I don't really see a reason to have more than. Last I checked, there is no means of "upgrading" a Tributary into a Vassal, so you have to defeat, make tributary, sit around and let them continue doing exactly what they've been doing all along except it makes you a little richer, then attack them again in the hopes that they. As I mentioned, Stellaris is a game where the strong get stronger and the weak fall further and further behind, and this makes vassal-based play a very dubious proposition. Stellaris. Vassals that have already been specialized do not automatically demote even if their tech falls way behind. When subjugating an empire I only have 'tributary' as an option. They'll split off into a new, vassalised empire. Lots of targets around, claim a few systems, make them a tributary. And for the stronger empire, you could benefit from having weak allies, but still stronger-than-vassal allies to aid you. You can chose between making them a Tributary or a Vassal (subsidiary if you are megacorp). 17. Then I turn on population controls, displace or purge them to make room for my species. • 7 mo. You can check the overall relative power by hovering over the 3 bars icon left of the relative fleet power or in the diplomatic contacts list. Stellaris. I had a quick question about the secret fealty system. Reply reply more reply. It leads to some funny (and frustating) situations like when you claim all the enemies planets so they will disapear, instead of becoming a vassall. Why is there no vassal/external domination oriented tradition tree. I always do this with hegemoneis. "In an Allegiance War, you seek to wrest control of the vassals that have pledged Secret Fealty to you, and they will join in on the attack on their former Overlord. Finding it hard to find a post or article that isn't 6 years old on the topic so i'm making my own post. 1. Go into the diplomacy tab with the empire you wanna vassalize. 3 came out I find it to be rather difficult to get either of those options. •. 3] This mod aims to improve the Domination tradition so that it is an appealing option at any stage of the game and also adds several new vassal and tributary types that are more evocative and useful to an overlord. This mod aims to improve the Domination tradition so that it is an appealing option at any stage of the game and also adds several new vassal and tributary types that are more evocative and useful to an overlord. 5 I was wondering what peoples feelings are about vassals and tributaries and when it's better to use each. Yeah that makes sense, thanks a lot. 10- Donate all former systems to the released tributary, and a hefty sum of alloys, minerals and energy 11- The recreated empire is at your tech level, share ethics and civics with you, is a member of your federation and thus contribute most of it's fleet cap to you and absolutely. First off all the answer is no, you have to declare war to be able to break free. More bang for your war bucks, let you scale your alloy production faster. This community wiki's goal is to be a repository of Stellaris related knowledge, useful for both new and experienced players and for modders. It doesnt count towards occupation, thus forcing me to totally wipe them out of the face of the galaxy to end the war and making it impossible to actually create a vassal or. With the rework that means you can specialize your vassals It depends on what you want from them. Bankipriel Mar 29, 2023 Jump to latest Follow Reply It is very frustrating after vassalizing a protectorate with restricted voting to ensure their votes in the Galactic. You can play an Imperialist with the Feudal Society pick much easier and enjoyable. I just was small, capped by my core planets, but with a good tech and good income. Else liberate as many planets as you can to split up their empire. Trouble is War declaration is NOT an event stellaris automatically pauses for by default. submit or rebel), you're completely at the whim of what your vassal deems acceptable which is reflected in the acceptance value. When subjugating neighboring empires, is there any advantage to one form of subjugation over the other?About this site. 0 unless otherwise noted. 60-100 years in, I'm spreading my glorious color galaxy wide, absorbing any independent empire that likes me, and you bet they'll like me. Glad I had to work today. Is there a way to force a neighbour to become your vassal with the new mechanics. Can’t remember if the system which has the L-Gate needs to be. Tributaries are not your subject, they are independent, can expand freely and you can have pacts with them. If having another prospectorium gives you more basic resources than you can use, then the entire premise of the thread is misaimed: both a prospectorium and a basic resource tributary would be bad choices. For example a default "Vassal" or a Protectorate can not expand at all. " 1. Release them, then declare a war to make them a tributary. You always only get systems you claimed, unless it's total war, where everything you took is instantly transferred to you. Last I checked, there is no means of "upgrading" a Tributary into a Vassal, so you have to defeat, make tributary, sit around and let them continue doing exactly what they've been doing all along except it makes you a little richer, then attack them again in the hopes that they. The easiest way is to beat them up in a preliminary war. And for the stronger empire, you could benefit from having weak allies, but still stronger-than-vassal allies to aid you. What’s the difference between a vassal Stellaris and a tributary Stellaris?-Vassals give you fleet cap and follow you into any war. A vassal is kind of a 'extension' of your empire: you join each other in wars, they cannot expand or conduct indipendent diplomacy and they boost your naval strenght. Stellaris. That large empire asked to become my vassal and I said yes just to experiment. You can't change it because they're not a vassal. Other Features: - All of the subject interaction features of the mod are handled through a new edict: Manage Subject States. ”. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by…Stellaris. The use of vassal states continued. Vassal. So, for example, I could demand an empire become my vassal, have them refuse, and then choose to declare war on them to become a tributary or a vassal. Primitives: In vanilla Stellaris primitive empires that become spacefaring have been unintentionally handicapped. 9 ‘Caelum’ Patch Notes, and Ask Us Anything!A secret fealty vassal I just got started as a bulwark after being fully vassalized, but I'd rather have a regular vassal instead. 60-100 years in, I'm spreading my glorious color galaxy wide, absorbing any independent empire that likes me, and you bet they'll like me. 8] Subscribe. -25% minerals and energy to your vassal's fleet. However you are not allowed to intergreate a Tributary. Mr-H-Saether • 5 mo. Subsidiary or Tributary must pay at least 30% tax; Advanced Advanced Resources 0 to −45 +3. Saying no to overlord contracts costs them influence, so by spamming the contract of them over and over they eventually run out and have to agree. But thats one of the problems with stellaris, they took the diplomacy and warscore systems from Europa Universalis and changed them, making them a LOT. There you can choose which type of vassal to propose to make them. Countries can use the Demand Subject Transfer diplomatic action to peacefully take existing subject states of other nations if they are disloyal, and the target has at least 80 opinion. Only one vassal can be integrated at a time. So i was trying to finish of my current game, to get the slave acheivement, was deciding which of my vassal to integrate when bam the metal head i had vassalized in a war decided they didnt like being my vassal, and they brought all my other. 0 unless otherwise noted. All systems captured, one but one planet is occupied. In Stellaris, becoming a vassal of a regular empire means gameover 99% of the time. If I can make tributaries -> vassals and then diploannex them at a later date, I'm peachy. Vassals are useless in wars. Protectorate an uplifted pre-FTL species for an increase in monthly influence and a potentially powerful ally at the end of it all, or Vassalise an empire for some. Stellaris is a sci-fi grand strategy game set 200 years into the future. In a perfect run you would just grow large nough to start the vassalisation chain and then even shrink yourself a bit if over 100. Protectorate is a special vassal type that any vassal will automatically convert to if they are far inferior than you in tech. Interesting…so i didnt make them a tributary, i declared a vassal war. 37 votes, 46 comments. Subsidiaries only pay energy, while tributaries pay both energy and minerals. There should be a “Create Vassal” button in the bottom left corner. I have no idea on that. ago. Meaning if you dont win fast enough, you can actually lose against it due to ticking warscore. 7: 0 to 225 Vassal limited to 45% maximum tax Subsidiary or Tributary cannot receive subsidy; Research Research 0 to −90 +3. In Stellaris, stronger empires can bring weaker empires under their rule. And you will almost certainly lose that war when a vassal is in a war with their overlord, the vassal passively just generates a ton of warscore without having to do anything. Last game I was playing, I was the president of a trade federation and a neighboring empire that had associate status wouldn't join my federation due to a -2. Stellaris. Separate, your naval capacity and your vassals' sum is larger than if you integrate them, or use them as a tributary to supply a larger fleet. So this left us with regular vassal w/tax contract, tributary, subsidiary (in case of you being megacorp) and Prospectorium. All that said, Protectorates are by far the best subject type to stock up on, for that sweet +0. Nope, the Space Mafia doesn't care about any Rights not founded on Might. A 3 planet tributary can give you more than 10 of each. But the vassals didnt rebel, but someone stronger just declared war on my vassal and kick my ass too. 0 unless otherwise noted. Protectorates that rise to become vassals will trigger the type selection at the beginning of the next month. If they are. And if you really, desperatly want an FE vassal, Gigastructures offer you some very "subtle" way to do so, by subtle I mean weaponizing an entiere solar. Reply . The rights and. I adopted Domination next (to unlock the option to demand vasallization). 7 to −3. Unless you use AI mod, standard AI either for enemy or ally like vassal have trouble filling their planets with buildings. Well it isn't very obvious, in any case I still say the vassal (Tributary) system is crap. That said if you declared the war you should have had the option to choose between vassal and tributary. Don't build them up and they'll only be 5K strong so they can't help you. Basically vassalization is a stopgap to integration most of the time, unless you're playing with the feudalism Civic. 0 pop growth update some people have been "vassal farming". When subjugating neighboring empires, is there any advantage to one form of subjugation over the other?I've also heard this is the best way to get a vassal to agree to a special vassal status, by trading away heavy tributes for the status change. Toggle signatureYou will want at least one of every specialized vassal for the unique benefits and overlord holding. Toggle signatureTributaries are cool. on a side note I just found inwards perfectionists can create tributary's instead of vassals. Claiming territory and invading colonies. So there is no reason to not integrate a vassal unless you are fine with having a worthless pile of pops on the map. . Claims stuff on a different empire, make them a tributary. Otherwise look on the declare war screen it should say make tributary. . 5. 1: To intergrate later. Since I've won the wars and have a vassal and a tributary now, I'm the biggest empire now (at least in my "neighborhood"). -must be neighbor. No matter how benign your empire is, Stellaris will bring you into conflict with other empires. Stellaris is superior in this respect. If you're going aggressive. You could try to vassalise them. Copyright © 2016 Paradox Interactive AB. If you’re a vassal then theres good news and bad news. Like Vassal 1 focuses all its invention on making a laser which can heat. Stellaris 50473 Bug Reports 30888 Suggestions 19151 Tech Support 2898 Multiplayer 377 User Mods 4631 Stellaris AAR (After Action Reports) Console edition 1216. I'd probably just let them be though. Vassal being bulwark but without the resources making them even weaker because they would have to compensate themselves towards the basic resources theyd be getting from me. Feudal is also the only way I know thus far that makes a 1 system play through possible. Having signed a pact with a foreign power, they are often at the whims and mercy of their overlord, forced to bend to whatever rules and regulations their liege wishes. The opposite is also true. 4 we had those two vastly different types of subjugation: Vassals are diplomatically tied to their overlord, they pay a small tribute and get some benefits. When subjugating neighboring empires, is there any advantage to one form of subjugation over the other?Go to Stellaris r/Stellaris • by Lebroso_Xeon. I play tall and use tributaries. Make them vassals in the late game so you can integrate them or purge them. Not sure. Not sure if I must match the demand to the desired war clause. the game seems to make the war to expel branches of there overlord, which is A) pointless as they aren't a megacorp and B) very. I have 1 specialist vassal that changed from tributary (or subsidiary)but the option to do this it's too random to appear (cannot choose vassal types) even when asking to other empires to become vassals(i am stronger enough)Subscribe to downloadVassals and Tributaries - Exalted Domination [2. Not once was I able to make another empire a vassal or tributary through diplomacy. I don't remember if it's tributary or subsidiary, I'm playing megacorp. Which- if true- means that rather than fundamentally stop the 'vassal-integrate' system, vassal wars are still the best way to expand, and having integratable-vassals are the most profitable thing you. We can negotiate, and renoegotiate the terms of our agreement. Gotcha, thanks for the info. 5 influence. Meaning the more you're winning against your tributary, the more war score your tributary will get against you. So a criminal syndicate is doing its job and has a couple of branches open on my planets. Actually, they can! Turning someone into a tributary makes them your subject, and hegemonies auto-include subjects as members. It doesn’t work and people have reported it as a bug and got “working as intended. I personal use vassals for a few purposes. Thread starter Incompetent; Start date Jul 26, 2022; Jump to latest Follow Reply Menu We have. Unhappy sectors will want to become tributaries. Subjects have their own budget, construction sector, interest groups, laws, and institutions but are limited when conducting external diplomacy. And there Make the Tributary or Make the. I've seen threads saying they weren't all that good. They do lose the difficuilty bonus, yes. Tributaries give 25% of their energy/minerals, which is okay, but the AI just might not be able to produce enough to make it worth it. Unfortunately the tooltip doesn't offer anything, but I did try that. Actually there IS a perfect answer. I prefer conquest. Reply. subjects. I don't remember if it's tributary or subsidiary, I'm playing megacorp. Even before 3. Make sure they have plenty of food - unfed vassals can starve themselves into revolt. There are a multitude of reasons that you would want to do this, and it can be beneficial to both parties. Suppress those silly Xeno's but only for when playing tall. Method 4: Liberation. IMO tributaries are worth it in the early game. It does not get refunded, because the Vassal needs to use THEIR influence to be able to refuse the offer. You cannot even choose to change terms to "not defend subject" if the vassal is a protectorate, tributary, scholarium, bulwark or prospectorium. Tributary is not the same as vassal. 8boy09. When subjugating neighboring empires, is there any advantage to one form of subjugation over the other?Vassal specialist types are suddenly not showing in either the propose subjugation or agreement negotiations menu. EDIT: This is about 1. I don't think it's possible to switch them directly but if you release them you should be able to re-subjugate them, via war. Maybe I'm not doing this right. as a trading partner or a buffer zone. Prospectorium advantage is that they will get bonus on basic, advance and strategic rerources, has chance to find deposit in space and will never be downgrade to protectorate but get nerf on science production. Klarion-X • 6 yr. 6. This is Professor Stellaris and this is your crash course for Stellaris Console Edition Guide to. It’s absolute madness they are refusing to adjust this seeing how you can play as bootleg Zerg and Tyranids in the Appearances screen and both factions are the classic Progenitor Devouring Swarm archetype. Tributaries and vassals are just two different types of subject empires, alongside protectorates, subsidiaries and others. Finding it hard to find a post or article that isn't 6 years old on the topic so i'm making my own post. The option is there to turn the tributary into a vassal, but I have a negative score (-41) to actually do this. as a trading partner or a buffer zone. If you wanted to take vassals one step further there is a great mod that expands possible vassal types to add some interesting choices; for example, the Debtor/Blood tributary vassal types are very unique. i beleive the difference is that tributary pay you 25% of their energy and minerals and still or mostly independent meaning they can still colonize and i beleve they dont help out durring wars where as vassals go to war with you are not indepent they can be intergrated in to your empire where as tributarys can. I prefer conquest. I am wondering what the cause of that is and if there is anything I can do to. I hope this is fixed because the potential for these systems is great!Stellaris. No no it was the other way round. So as a weaker empire, you rather want to be inside a hedgemony than be a vassal. g. food than you actually want, and a pittance of alloys/CG. Negotiate a deal with the crime lord on the planet once crime is above 10. If your Ruler or Heir is "unmarried" you can marry an unmarried Ruler or Heir of the same species of a Vassal to for a massive opinion boost and a removal of the subject power penalty for as long as both live. Mhh I guess you can lower the mandate requirement by getting war score cost reductions like diplomatic idea, or admin efficiency from admin tech and absolutism but I don't think that you will be able to lower a 300 mandate requirement to less than 100 any time soon without any kind of war. 8) End that war in such a way that they become your vassal or tributary (if possible, by achieving your war goals, because a status quo may not give you all that you desire). You want an FE vassal? Destroy their fleets, annhiliate their armies, scorch their worlds, conquer them, release sector and lean them some fleets from the Head of Zarqlan for consistency. -Tributaries provide you with income; they will not follow you into a war; instead, they can engage in diplomacy and claim systems. There certainly are some gains from having direct (or sector) control over planets instead of letting other empires technically own them, but also some drawbacks. You can right-click and explore any wormhole your science ship can reach, regardless of its territory. I can't demand tribute: "they must be at peace". Subject contracts start with a “preset”. The big barrier that a lot of people on here seem to have is not knowing about the vassal/tributary casus. Vassals can be lawful or the opposite in which case they will rebel if given the opportunity. I have a big fleet advantage and it is gives me only +14. in stellaris, tributaries are just a different type of vassal that pays you resources but doesn't follow you into your wars. Subjects were allowed in since that almost costs us a war when the AI did not send the fed fleet in time. . I remember them doing this pre-2. I just technologically enlightened two races, immediately making them vassals. Empires of all ethics have the option to leave a subject as vanilla vassal or tributary. A disloyal vassal won't follow your fleets around during wartime. A lot of the articles i did read were saying. A vassal has still some use, even if their military support is questionable, e. Plus they'll get to your technological level so that you get the scientist relay bonus if make them. As vassal you get the "help", and part of the fleet power of an inefficient non-difficulty boosted AI. The % of tributary economy applies to taxes as well, and are why taxing basic resources from scholarium is a waste. 0 unless otherwise noted. 4. This also gives you the chance to release more subjects as you've mentioned, and thus build more info. Vassalisation war goal doesnt even appear. Best. Secondly the Vassal pays 25% of it's Mineral and Energy income to the overlord. Possibly replaced by their overlord, or the galactic empire will just be dissolved (perhaps even have some kind of event where people panic because the protector-turned-ruler just got punted, that'd be pretty frightening)Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming comments. r/Stellaris. Description. If the Vassal AI would ignore the Fleet power it would result in endless Rebellions that get always quelled and players would be annoyed to no end about them, Whack-a-mole Deluxe. Vassal states were common among the empires of the Near East, dating back to the era of the Egyptian, Hittite and Mitanni conflict, as well as ancient China. A vassal state is any state that has a mutual obligation to a superior state or empire, in a status similar to that of a vassal in the feudal system in medieval Europe. It's time for WAR! It's part 7 in MaxTheCatfish's Stellaris Beginner's Guide for 2023 - this time all about how to prepare for war in Stellaris, how to deal. 6 comments. 7. I find that a vassal's usefulness scales exponentially with their size. yes, you can renegotiate contracts. Declare war and eliminate crime syndicate. Going by the Blorg stream, vassals work pretty much the same as they do in EU4. Go to Stellaris r/Stellaris. This mod aims to improve the Domination tradition so that it is an appealing option at any stage of the game and also adds several new vassal and tributary types that are more evocative and useful to an overlord. VicboyV • 7 yr. This button may be bugged however, as many players have reported it to be missing. Fluffy-Tanuki • 21 days ago. You can declare a special war to get rid of the criminal offices though, so if you're confident that you can scrape through that with at least. Not only should it be possible to transform a vassal into a tributary, but the reverse should be true too, provided the overlord is strong enough and relations good enough. Authors description: Exalted Domination – Vassals And Tributaries. Adeiu • 7 yr. Tributaries do have a benefit to them. You could try to "grant independence" to those systems and then vasalize them. What you did also works if you can get the warscore. Please note these costs are over and above a base cost of 20 influence points. Adding on to this, if you have no intention of conquering another empire but want a vassal, declare war for a vassal and declare a status quo once war exhaustion is high enough and you've conquered some planets. I do not think you can without releasing them and the forcing the new subject option on. Imperial Spiritualist authoritarian, feudal and cult perks. ago. Copyright © 2016 Paradox Interactive AB. NumberIine. I’ve taken planets and given them to my tributary. Conquest+intergration will be a usefull tool here. I don't have access to them. Except maybe espionage that causes a political incident. Exploring and finding interesting new thingsA place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by Paradox Development Studio. The base cost is 20, increased by 10 for each pop and 50 for each planet. Since it was accounting for these bonuses when it originally built its economy it is no longer able to afford the upkeep on its own buildings and is immediately. There should be a tab that says something like:"Demand tribute" or "Demand subjugation". In this video I am going to break down the basic ways that we can go to w. Stellaris Dev Diary #313 - 3. My slaves are Gaia world only lol but surely 140 psychic pops can make a good vassal. When subjugating neighboring empires, is there any advantage to one form of subjugation over the other?Stellaris. The only options are vassal and tributary. g. This is what will have them give you more science tribute, and since a higher % of. The benefit is that, by vassalizing early, you gain a better reward in the long run as your vassals continue expanding and your time investment in the beginning pays off nicely. That platonic ideal state- which imposes vulnerabilities to vassal instability- would be mooted if you could tax for unity. Vassals are useless right now. This is basically creating vassals, letting them grow pops for awhile, and then re-integrating them. First the Overlord implicitly guarantees the independance of the Vassal, but without any influence cost. Best. The bonus 30% to science is… well it’s nothing. I got 1984'd May 7, 2021 @ 4:08am. Being a vassal in CK3 can be weaponized, many a player liege has found out the hard way just how vulnerable they can be to a player vassal with a shiny loyalty hook on them. But i only have 1 option. Now your tributary gives you energy and minerals, add part of their naval cap to the federation fleet, and they're pulled into any wars you're involved in, because they count as federation members. Originally tributaries weren't protected by their Overlord wich made it a pretty useless thing, since you waged. Authors description: Exalted Domination – Vassals And Tributaries. All Discussions. A disloyal vassal won't follow your fleets around during wartime. But disloyal vassals should also consider : [disloyal power + enemy of overlord (current war) power] > [overlord power + loyal power] -- what better time to rebel, than when your lord is campaigning half a galaxy away?In vanilla if you can get an early tributary by say year 50 you’ve basically won. I would use the Tributary option so much more often if it wasn't so inconvenient. In cases where the vassal in question is large and rebellious, integration and re-releasing might be prudent. Base: -50 Empire Population: -23 Relative Power: +22. Make sure they have plenty of food - unfed vassals can starve themselves into revolt. For protectorates, you actually gain influence, iirc. ago. So a criminal syndicate is doing its job and has a couple of branches open on my planets. If you drop a 600 influence cost vassalage negotiation on current vassal that has only 400 influence in their stockpile, they won't be able to refuse. They still have their own government, they have their own borders, they manage their own economy and population, but they have no control over their foreign policy. The issue is when I declared an expel branch war against them it didn't work.